The BBC World Today programme interviews Gathuru Mburu as part of their coverage in the lead-up to the COP17 climate negotiations in Durban, later this month. Mburu tells listeners about the importance of indigenous knowledge, in Africa and globally, for the climate change and food crises. He explains the importance of the African Biodiversity Network's work at the local level bringing back traditional seed diversity and the related knowledge, and building the confidence and resilience of local communities in Africa.